quoted 4 lines What I said was that "dance music" wasn't a useful phrase in defining IDM,>
> What I said was that "dance music" wasn't a useful phrase in defining IDM,
> because a lot of it _isn't_ dance music. It wasn't meant to be an
> exclusive statement. There's IDM that isn't dance music,
I dunno. I've been going to "rave" parties more often lately than I
have ever gone to in my life. Here in LA, unfortunately TRANCE seems
dominate the majority of the parties. After looking around at the
silly ways people dance (most of it looks like they're on invisible
pogo sticks) I could see myself DANCING to every frigging IDM piece of
music I own. I can't dance for shit to a straight 4 on the floor
uncomplicated song by _The Infinity Project_. Therefor, my stupid
"dancing" would prolly fit in more with a wicked Autechre track.
Fuckit all IDM is DANCE MUSIC. If not, why do TWO of the 3 letters
stand for DANCE MUSIC? It's all danceable, pal. Even if it's got no
beat, it could be danced to. (at least my modern dance friend says so,
and she's a professional:)
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quoted 2 lines Who cares if the 'MTV generation' picks up on it, as long as they don't> Who cares if the 'MTV generation' picks up on it, as long as they don't
> sell out?
I think this is what I find to be my biggest gripe with the prodigy.
I don't care for them all that much, but jesus they look like a bunch
of Marylin Manson types with all that make up and shit they wear. You
say that they are IDM. FINE. But they have got to be Sell out IDM'ers
cuz I don't know any other fucking IDM artist's that wear make up,
spend all their money piercing and tattoing themselves and shout "WE
ROCK!" at their concerts. they sold themselves out to the ROCKnROLL
method of making money.
as far as their music goes: I love the EXPERIENCE album. It's just one
of those silly old skool techno albums that has those high pitched
"one!two!three!four!" samples in it. Other than that CD, I can't stand
the P's music, but whatever. Their selling out cannot be disputed.
For some reason, I expect a counter argument saying "Oh and RDJ is not
a sell out either? He's on a Major label (SIRE) and has his video on
MTV" I know somebody is thinking this way. Being on MTV and on a major
label has nothing to do with selling out. Selling out is letting
yerself get co-opted by the industry. Honestly, look at Prodigy and
then look at Green Day and you will see many many similarities, but
Green Day aren't as pathetic.
quoted 5 lines My hope is that some of the kids who see Keith-The-Clown on MTV will get>
> My hope is that some of the kids who see Keith-The-Clown on MTV will get
> into the music itself, and branch into more of the truly incredible, less
> known stuff out there. I will never villify an act for making excellent
> music known - after all, if nobody knows about it, what good is it?
Uhmmm, I think plenty of people know about without the help of Mtv.
Techno never needed Mtv nor a specific ACT to expand itself. It was
all word of mouth or being handed a mixtape for me. IMO it'd be better
for the newbies to learn this way.
I tend to think that if a newbie is turned on to a tune simply by
hearing it played thru my stereo, or something similar, he/she will
appreciate the music for what it is. By being turned on to it, by
what's on TV or Rolling Stone cover has the POTENTIAL, read
_potential_, to simply like it b/c it is a fad. That is exactly what
alternative music suffered. If a newbie hears prodigy and then gets
into more excellent electronic music, more power to them, but I doubt
95% of the people who look at Mtv for their avenue into "new" genres
ever really stick it out with that specific genre for the long haul. I
mean my days of Iron Maiden fandom are over. WHY? Prolly b/c Mtv got
rid of the HEadbangers Ball. No the truth is a grew outta the fad.
In the end, I can't blame Prodigy for one ounce of what they do. If I
was in a position like that, I'd milk it for every fucking penny
too!Yep, I'm being somewhat hypocritical. It's like the saying "We all
hate the rich, but we want to be rich!"
dance yer ass ass off,
gil
np: Rave til Dawn (flame away)